DOOM

Gigachad · 2023-02-14T13:23:36+00:00

Anyone here play classic doom? It's the only game I always come back too. My favorite wad is either scythe 2 or Jap Community Project.

Gigachad

Murderbunny
Yes. The cartridge version had password saves. I rented it when I was like 13 and didn't get very far cause it scared me. I dont do horror games and for some reason doom can always jump scare me. I think it's cause I wasn't allowed to play it as a little kid so i put it on a pedestal. I never played the psx version, was looking g for an opinion on it cause I don't think it's the exact same game as doom 1.

Any wad recommendations? I need a new one. Please not something God level hard. I only got to level 25 of sunlust on HMP (with saves) before hitting a wall I couldn't top.

Murderbunny

Gigachad
What kind of stuff are you into, vanilla Doom maps that would fit well into the main game or total/partial conversions?
Also what do you think about full standalone games on the Doom engine?

Gigachad

Murderbunny
I like most stuff not made for doom gods (didn't stop me from trying sunlust. Got to map 25) and is not slaughter heavy. One of my favorite wads is Japanese Community Project. Im not great at doom, i just really like it and have been playing off and on for 20 years. I love new textures but not so much for new monsters. Its hard to perfect a wheel kinda thing. Im not against total conversions. I havnt really played one that I can think of right off top of my head. Like the aliens one?

As for standalone games on the idtech engine... meh. I tried hedon. I got past the first boss and lost interest. I kept getting lost. Strife was cool. Havnt don't hexen. The lack of weapons turned me off. I loved the 15 minutes of ion fury (build engine I know) my pc will play before it crashes.

How about you? What are you into? How do you feel about nu-doom? Any wad recommendations?

Murderbunny

Gigachad I'll have to get home to my PC to get the names of most of the WADs I like, but if you haven't already I greatly recommend you to play Kaiser's Doom 64 port, at least for his OG episodes.
If your issue is navigation, it really cuts down on a big chunk of mods unfortunately. It's a common issue that user maps have rather convoluted/unfriendly maps, either because the author hasn't gotten enough experience yet and make them as they go along without an actual plan or blueprint, or they have too much experience and has forgotten how lost players can feel when the map is too elaborate.
You mentioned Hedon and that is a very good example of the latter. I absolutely loved that game, but I'll admit that the combination of underground caves with narrow pathways and the overdesigned environment made for a really labyrinthine experience. The thing is that in order to make a "natural/realistic" looking map in the Doom engine you have to do lots of tiny staircases simmulating slopes and differing heights, which in turn makes the automap pretty much useless. Generally, the more detailed and realistic the map is the more lines are drawn on the automap and it ends up just being a cluttered mess that confuses you even more.
A good TC that's also free is Ashes 2063, which is a post apocalyptic Mad Max/Full Throttle/Fallout inspired game. I'd say the maps are on the harder side of things and there's at least 2 instances I've found that you can soft lock yourself by leaving your motorcycle behind when you're not supposed to, but it's not too bad.
There's also Selaco, which is a game a lot of purists thumb their noses at because of how much it modified the engine but it was still fun. You can play the demo for free on Steam so there's nothing to lose by trying it out.
There's also Boltgun, which is not in the Doom engine but it's still pretty neat if you like 40K.
You've mentioned Hexen, but if you don't like hard to navigate maps than I'd tell you to steer clear of it. You have to keep moving back and forth through levels activating switches that do "something" in another level and after a while everything starts to blurr together. It's a fun game but it does have that caveat which would probably be a deal breaker for you. Heretic would probably be more your alley, because it's basically a fantasy Doom. It's set in the same world as Hexen and has items and stuff but the game play is basically Doom, plus most of the weapons are Doom-equivalent (magical shotgun, magical chaingun, magical rocket launcher, magical chainsaw, etc).
Freedoom is pretty neat too, I definitely recommend it.

Murderbunny

Gigachad
I should have mentioned Amuscaria's Hell Forged, too. It has one of the most creative weapons I've ever seem in the Doom Engine.

Taka

DOOM truly is a timeless game. It set the industry standard for FPS games at the time, that was destroyed by shit like CoD. I'm glad that these so-called "boomer shooters" are getting a revival. Props to the devs for making sequels that are all mostly true to the original, too. (except for Doom 3, that shit sucked)

Gigachad

Taka
Why didn't you like doom 3?

Taka

Gigachad They tried to make it into somewhat of a horror game, and it ended up not working and falling flat.

Fantasy

Taka
must make you very happy then that they cancelled the original project for doom 4
it was like horror call of duty looking, bad

Murderbunny

I've just played Doom Delta, and it's fun as heck. Played through the whole Knee Deep In The Dead and up to the 4th level of Shores of Hell, the mix of the new and old stuff is just right. I really recommend it.
https://pyspy.neocities.org/doomdelta/

Psittacus

Oh, hell yeah!!! Been a fan since I was 8. I haven't played it in a while though. Love my classic DOOM. DOOM 1 is my favorite game, EVER.

I had an idea for a game, a 2 dimensional DOOM. It has all the bells and whistles of old DOOM, e.g. level exploration, keys and switches, secrets, etc, but all from a top down shooter perspective reminiscent of Berzerk or Robotron 2084. Whether it's a single stick or a twin stick is something I haven't decided yet. Twin stick would be better simply for the fact that that way you can circle strafe but again, IDK.

I don't recall the last WAD I played though... I wanna get back to Epic sometime, I like the ancient Egyptian theme going on.

I have some opinions on classic DOOM... for one thing, while I do love DOOM 2, I think the original and DOOM 64 eat it alive. I give Sandy Petersen his dues, and I respect his experimentation when it comes to DOOM 2, but some of the levels like Downtown were just a slog to play through. Too big. DOOM was always about navigating a maze, and I really like that design, but there's always a level of intuitiveness when it comes to level exploration that's sadly lost in levels like the aforementioned Downtown. Furthermore, the Pain Elemental and Archvile piss me off to no end. I thank God the Archvile didn't appear in DOOM 64.

Another thing I have to probably mention is that I'm a keyboard onlyist. I don't think it's more "pure", mouse play has always been in DOOM, but as a young kid I never knew how to enable it, and on top of this I really only used DOSBox to play. And even if I could, playing DOOM with a craptop trackpad wasn't ideal. So, it's become a habit I bear as an adult. That's just how I've always played it, and I don't feel like changing my playstyle.

There really isn't anything to hate about DOOM to me. You have the absolutely awesome vanilla campaigns, then you have thousands of WADs of all sorts going back 25+ years, there's no end to the fun when it comes to DOOM. I didn't like the reboot. I'm not really a big fan of the whole "LOOK AT ME I'M SO TOUGH I KILL THE DEMONS WITH MY BARE HANDS". DOOM was never a power fantasy to me. You were a sole space marine, sometimes powerless and lost, other times on a roll and slaughtering like it's nobody's business. DOOM was everything. There's a puzzle element with the mazelike level designs, keys, and switches, there's a bit of horror with the dreadful atmosphere of the Mars bases and Hell, and there's action (self explanatory). It's so many things, all at once, and it's perfection. DOOM is DOOM, not only genre-defining, but set the gold standard so early on for all FPS games to come.

Gigachad

Psittacus Furthermore, the Pain Elemental and Archvile piss me off to no

Not a fan of them but why in doom 2 did they bother you? They weren't used effectively at all. I'm mostly talking about the Archie. Pain elemental is a faggot no matter where he is. There is a 2d side scrolling doom wad.

Didn't like d2 eh? I find it's just the middle that really lags. End picks up again. I do like doom 1 better but God damn does it need the ssg. and d64 was great.

Whats your favorite wad? You've branched out from just the basic iwads, right?

Psittacus

Gigachad
I have branched out, yes. It's hard to say which one's my favorite, but a good contender is Equinox.
It isn't that I didn't like D2, I did... it's just that I think DOOM 64 and DOOM 1 were way better.
Sure, the Archvile is few and far between in the game, but whenever it does pop up, boy does it frustrate me.

Murderbunny

Gigachad
I've gotta say that in the TNT expansion the archiviles were absolutely obscene.

Gigachad

Psittacus
Solid choice. Not a fan of the ammo management but I can respect it.

Murderbunny
Absolutely and plutonia too. But not at all in doom 2. There only one or 2 that are a real threat. I can forgive it though. We built pyramids before cathedrals. They laid an excellent groundwork for a monster that would be iconic 30 years later. That being said he is memed into oblivion with the revenant and I grow tired of finding a lone ass ineffective archvile in the exit room.

Psittacus

Gigachad
Yeah the ammo management is bullshit. But I'm a huge fan of the level design and science fiction feel it has.

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